36. Rediscover Your Soul’s True Purpose / Anne Sargent

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Anne Sargent of Soul Elements offers mindful energy wellness practices to help individuals rediscover and align with their soul’s true purpose and create profound transformation in their daily lives. This episode Anne talks about daily stresses, life challenges, and the energy of 'dis-ease’ which directly affects one’s ability to feel hope, abundance, self-worth, and connection. We get into some of the tools and practices we can use to get into an energy of alignment and create space in our body & life. Energy wellness empowers individuals to live a life of purpose and passion! Get ready for this episode!

Katie Kay 

Can you share how, how you started to get into the work that you're doing now?

Anne Sargent 

well, um, so the work that I'm doing now has been part of this sort of evolution for my entire life. Now, I'm 56 years old. So I know, from watching your podcasts listening to them, I should say, a lot of your guests are a little bit younger than I am. So I have the wisdom of just life experiences. And in some ways, it always is. It's just so neat to see when people become aware of their energetic body, their soul being if you will, we have it when we're a child is that natural curiosity, when we really up until about the age of five, our awareness is just of ourself and the world around us. And it's not until we start to begin to be aware of what other people think of us or what they want us to do, and so forth. As we're growing up through our childhood, that we start to look at external forces much more than how we are feeling in the moment in our bodies. So for me, my awareness really didn't happen until about 10 years ago. It was certainly moments in my journey of my life where it was present. And I was tapping into it. But I didn't have a mindful conscious awareness of it. So I loved your sort of lead in Katie Kay, about noticing where you're resisting or where you're judging, and so forth, because I had none of that for a very long period of time, but always was doing it or felt it and just didn't have that, that present minded awareness about it. And part of that is because I think in Western culture, it's not until very recently, readily available in schools, mindfulness in schools is something that's very new. So wasn't there in sort of the day to day life. It was much more like spirituality was very hippie, like it was very out there and so forth. And it was sort of reserved for the Eastern cultures that practice it for centuries, as well as, you know, these pockets, and now mindfulness, yoga, energy work, it's all modalities and ways of accessing our soul being that are readily apparent now in our culture. And I think that's why now As people are starting to really begin to wake up, and our collective consciousness is rising as a result of that, and that for me, since I work in the energy space and energy wellness is really just amazing

Katie Kay 

to see. So yeah, amazing. I know that just going through MBSR. And reading John Kabat Zinn and his book and the work that the mindfulness Center at UCLA, let's see USC is doing it's just like the science that's building backing, all of this research is growing and growing. And I think that's also becoming a way that we're entering it into our society is like, Oh, the science is backing it. Okay, now we can add it in? Absolutely, absolutely. Even

Anne Sargent 

with my clients, sometimes I need to, I can get an idea of where they are on their spiritual journey and get a sense of do I need to provide epigenetics, which is something that talks a lot about how our genetic codes have these energy frequencies. And they've photographed it, they've recorded it in so many ways. There's so many studies, as you just brought up, Katie Kay, an example of a couple of them, where we now have concrete evidence that this soul body exists, that our energy is connected to all matter, all energy, and that we have the ability to use it for our highest good. And that's a pretty powerful tool. And it's readily available, you don't have to go by it. It isn't for some, it's for all of us. And it really taps also into raising that unconscious awareness, or what I like to call her intuition. So we intuitively know what we need,

Katie Kay 

exactly what you were talking about with waking up. I love that analogy. Because I feel like that was me, I felt a little bit asleep in the way that I existed in the world, and what you're talking about at a young age, when you start to just follow what people are telling you to do. And as a child, you don't have that other option, you are just following what you need to be doing what you think is right what your parents are telling you to do. And, and so we all I think get to this place where we are little bit disconnected from that essence of within us of that essence of love and expansion. And the place where we can feel fully ourselves feel good enough, you know, because I think that's a big thing is a lot of us direct our lives and the way that we we feel that resistance and we don't feel good enough, and we need to prove ourselves and all of that stuff that is really blocking our fullest potential. And in the amazing way that we can really feel that connectedness. When we tap into that area, it's you know, you feel less alone, you feel less separate. And that's just a feeling that I've, you know, it just fills my heart so much whenever I can connect to that energy. But yeah, I'm getting a little tired, obviously, just get it like really big into this. But I'm curious about how you entered into this space, because I know your background you just shared with me, you were really athletic CrossFit athlete, I can imagine kind of that picta energy or just like drive, you know, go go go focus on the body focus on the results being an athlete, at what point did and maybe it was during that time, or maybe later at what point did you really start to channel your energy into your work and start to get into that spirituality personally?

Anne Sargent 

Yeah, great question. So I'm, I'm, I can look back. And I can say I truly am a student of life. And I am naturally curious and have been my whole life to just learn about things. And if they capture my interest enough, I'll take really deep dives into them. And I've done that ever since I was really little. And there were points in my life where that seemed really weird. And people would judge or say, gee, we're really into doing this. And now you seem to be over here doing this. And I thought that that was sort of natural, but it really sometimes unsettled people in a way who are used to Okay, I like this, I do this and this is me. I always feel like I'm trying things on. So to get to the point where I became aware of the energy body or the possibility that I might be an energy wellness practitioner was a very evolutionary process. And when I look back on it, I I realized that it was my calling from a very young age, to be available to help other people discover their soul being to understand that there is a side to every human being to every creature that is the energetic essence. Tying a little bit into society, we tend to sometimes make a confusion over spirituality and religion. And there are two very different things. Religion has a dogma attached to it as a hierarchy. It says, in order to practice this religion, you have to do these certain things or believe the certain things, and it then sometimes has sort of a power to it. With spirituality, it's readily available, it's really recognizing that we are energetically connected to all which is scientifically proven. And from an awareness standpoint, when we realize that we are a part of all we are a part of all nature, and everything in the cosmos, then we have an awareness of, wow, you know, my day to day life that I'm really micromanaging. Maybe there's something more, maybe I'm just meant to be here to experience things. And that, for me was an awareness that while I had been practicing it in an unconscious way through my whole life, really came about right around the time of my CrossFit experience, because I started using mantras and intention setting in my drive to be my best in, in Well, when I don't want it to had the aspiration to become a CrossFit Games competitor, I entered into CrossFit, like everything else, a friend of mine brought me to a class, and I was hooked from the first you know, experience I was very, it just fit with me and my personality. I like sports where I'm pushed to a physical limit, I can suffer really well, and have felt that that's when I'm best in my body when in some aspect I'm quote, unquote, performing, where I feel like I'm reaching my best self in that, that version. And so with CrossFit, it all of a sudden intuition, if you want to call it was like I need something more here. Because this training is really arduous, this commitment was requiring a diet change, it was requiring two trainings a day, trying to get sleep and things like that, a lot of planning. So the commitment level required something more. And again, not on a conscious level, but a subconscious level, I started to have mantras, one of them was believe and you will achieve and that stuck with me through all of my training and right up and up through the games was the sense of if I believe I will achieve and achievement when you think about it, for a lot of people a specific type of success. My my mantra was really about reaching my best self. And when I look back on under realize that was my higher knowing, coming through in expressing itself through that particular human being human doing activity. But being my best self meant, I can believe that I'm showing up in my life in this way. And it's representing exactly where I should be right now, this experience is what I meant to have. And it's part of my evolution and my growth. So I can offer words to it now, that really I couldn't then but there was something deep inside energetically that was drawing me for to wake up every morning to set intentions of of things like inviting in the gratitude that my body can perform the way it does thankful for my health the gratitude practice really started coming in then and that remains part of my daily mindful energy wellness practice now is is a gratitude practice. So a little bit security to send answering the question but a lot of it has to do with just it's always been there. And I in guiding others I say it's it's within you too. We tend to have habits and patterns and ways of thinking or our mental realm is so strong, that we try to logic our way through things. The energy body holds all the wisdom and we all are able to tap into that greater wisdom. So

Katie Kay 

so interesting to me that being an athlete and performing at such a high level was a really empowering thing for you that, which sounds silly now, like saying it, saying it out loud, because I feel like sometimes thinking about being an athlete having to perform at a really high level, you can get caught up in the control in the just having to be the best in the competition. And so, of course, when I'm saying, well, that's like, that's interesting, in my mind that it was empowering. But it's so funny, because if I said that to an athlete, they'd be like, well, of course, it's empowering. But in my mind, I guess in probably it's just coming from my own experience is that being in that state before of having that much pressure put on myself to be, you know, working out every day, eating all the right things, doing the best achieving? What was for me a high level, it created a dark night of the soul, and I crashed and burned. But it sounds like for you, it was like you knew that your higher self was leading you in that performance way. So I think it's just really interesting in the way that it's it guided you. And so I'm really curious, as far as you were in your higher self, you felt really empowered? And did you kind of have like a dark night of the soul where you crashed and burned and then had to re transition your life? Or was it like, Oh, this is like, my mantra is this intention setting in this gratitude practice? This is going to lead me into the energy work.

Anne Sargent 

Yeah, great question. No dark night of the soul definitely hit me hard. I went to it by training brought me into the CrossFit Games. With a very broken body. I was hanging on literally hanging on. And I didn't know it at the time. And I was not listening to the cues. Because when we get into, you know, competition, and we want to show up, we're very driven and very focused. And so those little whispers because our intuition whispers it doesn't roar, our mind roars but our intuition, we need to come to stillness to hear it. There, I would have none of that. I was like, laser focused, moving totally with how can my body perform at its best in this moment, but literally, about a month and a half after the CrossFit Games when we were done. I had a hysterectomy. Because it turns out I was severely anemic, my body was breaking down. And while I didn't have any injuries, which we we do here, you know, happens with a high level athletics when we push our bodies, especially to extremes. My body was saying Enough, enough. So I wasn't listening to that voice. I was choosing to select very carefully what I allowed in from say, my intuitive voice, but something needed to change. And I had tried yoga. Many times people had said, oh, you know, you're doing athletics, you need this other side to provide flexibility and balancing all the reasons that may be many of us, and maybe some of the listeners, you know, start out trying to find yoga. And it wasn't until I found there's many different types of yoga, I found vinyasa yoga, and for me, the connection of breath and movement spoke to my not you know, my, my, my body, mind and soul, because I needed something that was, you know, still felt like I was power in my body. So when I started in yoga, it was like a deep dive it it connected with me, I needed it. I dove in really deep. That's when I came up fairly quickly about going and doing a yoga teacher training because I wanted to know more. I had no aspiration of becoming a teacher or I call it a guide and did the training. And as with anything that we train with, we start to begin to open up to different possibility different way of thinking at things different, especially with yoga training. It's a lot of introspective work, and I started to unpack a lot of my inner wisdom that was there and seeing Ways in which I resisted, judged, controlled. All those messages that you mentioned a little bit earlier, Katie Kay. And it was really eye opening. And the path to what I'm doing now began in earnest at that point in the deep dive. And what tends to happen and I hear this often is that once you start tapping into that energy, the energy that's around you, you start and trusting, letting go of having to control and trust, the mentors, the guides, the the workshops, the programs, the books, everything started to show up. It was like, I didn't even have to know what the path the it was sort of like an unknown path. But I felt really safe and secure in just trusting with each step where I was being guided, and that it didn't matter if it amounted to anything that one would turn into a space of doing, like as an occupation, or something, it was filling my cup, it was fueling my soul being. And I felt like the more my soul being became more empowered, and I was listening to it more and trusting it, then my physical health improved immensely. And my monkey mind started, like, not talking so loud, it was just not so judgy. It didn't worry if somebody said, why the heck are you taking a Reiki class? Like, you know, I mean, that's woowoo out there. And I'd be like, Well, okay, well, this is speaking to me. And I think that, that sense of, of judgment and so forth, you know, that voice became a little quieter, I definitely know, my peers, still struggle a lot with that. But for me, I feel like I finally got to a stage in life, where I no longer was really concerned about what other people thought I was, I was in it for me, and I'm in it for me, and I and my calling now is to help others really realize that they have the power within them to make the choices that support them. And it's, it looks different for everybody. But we all have wounds. And we all have think fears. And we all have doubts, and we all have resistance and judgment. And it's it's having the courage to say I'm here on this journey, I'm here for a short time, I want to experience everything. And the realization that we can all have good days, you know, any a good day, just moments where it's not so great. And realizing that that's part of just life, you know. But I do realize, and I'm really conscious of it, that my energetic makeup is one of glass half full, and maybe even poring over at times, I have a optimistic outlook, even in even when I'm going through real difficult times real challenging times. And sometimes with the hindsight of looking back, I now realize that I've been through a lot of these experiences, so I can hold space for others that are going through those experiences. I've had divorce, I've had infidelity. I've had, you know, major illness, close family members, you know, I've had three fathers pass away. Health issues and so forth. Definite what people myself would say is failures, we got to fail. So anyway, we learn, you know, mistakes, things that I wish I could take back, but I can't. So the biggest gift for me right now is in my daily life. I mean, I know that a lot of people who do know me who practice with me in class and stuff might say, oh, and probably doesn't have a care in the world and life is great and so forth. No, it's a daily practice. It's a daily daily practice. But through that practice, I feel really grounded in this journey that I'm on. And I feel like I've discovered what my purpose is. And that is to help others figure out what their purpose is to on a soul level. So

Katie Kay 

there you go. I just wrote down like 18 different things. I can't even right now. Wow, your words feel like water just like washing over my body. I feel like the healing energy or healing power of what you're saying and the first thing I want to say is that just a big sigh of relief that I just felt so relaxed when you were talking about just being able to surrender and trust. And that is something I've been really working on lately. And, and not having an agenda not having, I need to do this or because of a becoming, but it's more of a been been and resting and just existing in the present moment, which is maybe the hardest thing that I can do. And it's just, it's interesting that the present moment, just being able to live in the bean can be such a challenging thing for us humans and the monkey, you mentioned the monkey mind, and oh, man, so. So yeah, I want to go back and reiterate that point. Because I think that there's just something immense in the way that if you can get to that place, and just letting go of holding onto the steering wheel so tightly. And I started to do that, and I started to see proof in my life and how I felt and that was the proof just doing that one step. Doing it once even it was like the one thing I didn't want to do, letting you know, letting just the surrender, go just letting the to do go trying to prove you know myself and, and it just took one step for me to see that proof. And then over and over again, I could start to really follow that because I had the proof, I could see that it was really lifting the weight off my shoulders. And, and I'm not saying oh my gosh, I'm definitely still working at it every day. And that was another point I wanted to make, as you were talking about, it's a daily practice. It's a commitment. And I think for people that have a calling where something deep inside them is just looking for the truth, looking for the truth within themselves or looking for the truth of what's out there in the universe. drew it almost drives them to, to have to commit to that. And it's up for me, I feel like it's my full time job. I've got a full time job of spirituality. And it's just it's one step at a time, one day at a time. But you're I feel like miracles happen. And I see it in the way that I feel like I'm opening up more space in my life, and my body and my mind and my spirit, all of the things. So thank you for mentioning all of that. And, yeah, I want to kind of go back to what you were talking about with your clients and being able to hold that energy for them. I've always been curious, in that type of work, how you can hold their energy, while at the same time not wrapping your energy in with it. And I asked that, because I noticed for me, it's really easy. And I think it's pretty common for us to get wrapped up in other people's energy just day to day, especially if you're a people pleaser. And it's not a bad quality, right? Because it comes out of like you care for the people around you. You want them to feel good, you want them to be happy, and but in that, I feel like sometimes it takes a toll on me because I am really using all of my cup all of my energy to be able to do that. So it's kind of this almost thing of boundaries as well. So yeah, I'm kind of curious if you wouldn't mind sharing that about your work.

Anne Sargent 

Yeah, um, me. Key word boundaries. Yeah, very important. So many people are empaths meaning that you can feel the energy of another, you can feel empathic just this, this understanding that others will have you know, the emotions they're sharing and so forth, you can connect with that energy right? I you know, certainly in doing the the training that I needed to do to be able to do this work, you learn the skills to be able to hold space, and to not take on that the energetic frequencies, but it requires a significant for me, it requires a significant amount of self care. I have found that I see one client a day, for instance, because a session goes until it's complete so that the two of us work together. The client is always in their power. I'm not It's not like couch therapy. Where there's a dialogue going on back and forth. And then I say, Okay, I'll see you same time next week, it's very much we go until the energy that may feel blocking or heavy or dense, it has been removed. And we then create space. I'm very overly simplifying it, but we create space to then invite in the energetic frequencies. Or if we're looking at the scientific side, we have all the codes within us, and how do we bring them up? How do we amplify those areas of our life that through experience, trauma challenge and so forth have been dimmed within us? How do we uncover unpack that energy, or have a sense of, I'm connected to all a lot of times people become very insular because of experiences, and they have a difficult time feeling the energy that they're connected, that there's possibility, even hope. So, I, I develop, to have developed within myself just this very clear channel container that we both are working within, but my energy stays within me. And the energy within the soul that has has come to work with me is very present for them. But it's done in a safe space, so that we're really looking at allowing the unpacking to happen. And the the reconnection if you will, to greater source energy that's, that's out there, when we invite in energetic frequencies. And it can happen in any number of self care ways yoga, or mindful, outdoor, nature's just beautiful for helping us connect to those frequencies. When we can connect to those frequencies, our cells are expansive in our body, that's a scientific proof, our cells expand, they open up, they're in a receiving mode, when we are feeling unsafe, we start to contract ourselves, we'll move into prevention mode. And if we stay in that state, we have dis ease. There's like a hyphen in there. And our body, dis ease in our energy body shows up if it's not work, if it's not, you know, harmoniously move through, shows up as disease in our physical body, the most common area that it shows up in our physical body is inflammation, inflammation in our body, happens most of the time, out of dis ease in our energetic body. It can also happen for over use, and so forth, but it's not listening to our energy body, our energy body saying rest, and we're out there overdoing it. If we listen to the cues of our energy body, our physical body will come into perfect alignment, it'll show up, it's the vessel that carries our energetic self, so we want to take care of it. And that's part of for me, the evolution of my body breaking free, was understanding that no diet or this or that, or perseverating on you know, working on my mental state was going to you know, expert dance really helped me live a more full vibrant life, then if I if I focused on my energy being because that was that's the space that if that is in alignment, if you're in the moment of now, choosing what's in your best interest. Now, I'm not saying better than someone else. But what is in the highest good here? How can I move through with ease here? honor my truth, so that I can show up as my best self that will then you know, calm my mind. I don't have to make stories about things I can let go of judgment. Again, a daily practice, and my health will be better. I'll want to eat better, doesn't mean I came coming here, I ate three of those damn marshmallow squares that they have it all foods at the checkout that like the dark chocolate, oh my gosh, I mean, you know, it's easy to to, you know, we say fall off the wagon, but I'm like, No, I want this now. I'm choosing this now. That's okay. You know, I deal with a lot of people that have trouble with addiction, all different types of addiction, addiction to work, addiction to doing, you know, and so forth. And a lot of it is raising there's it's complicated, but raising awareness, peering in the darkness, looking at the fears, what we're worried about. The things that we worry about might happen. You know, future events appearing real, that's what fear is. And when we can look at it, a lot of times, it's there, because in the past this happened. But in the present moment, we no longer have a past, and we don't have a future. So when we work in that space, infinite things are possible. And when we awaken to that, then we are in full power of our life in a really aligned, truthful, authentic way. And the things that we worry about, we worry less about. And I was with a client, and, you know, he's, you know, trying to figure out, you know, what is my next stage of work life and life in general, and so forth. And it became very clear that he had been very, very successful, you know, built a million dollar company, and so forth. But, you know, was feeling unsatisfied. And yet, when he talks about those things that he's really fulfilled about his energetic coach just literally light up, you can tell his whole demeanor lights up when he talks about time with his family time with his kids times with his grandkids, and so forth. And so, just an example of how, when we become aware of where we want to direct our energy, then we that's like, the steering, you know, you're, you're driving now, with spirit as the copilot. When I say spirit, it's like, you just tell me the direction. And that's like setting an intention. And spirits, like, Let's go make it happen. And that's when the miracles happen. You know, you use the word miracle, your body is a miracle. I told the story in yoga class about how your body is basically, the chance of you existing is like zero. And yet, you're here. And it's, it equates to this turtle that swimming around in all these oceans. And there's a life preserver in one of the oceans. And your being here is like that turtle swimming under the water and all of these oceans, and it pops up in the middle of the life preserver on one try. The scientific power is like one to the 10 of 2 million like 680,000. If we look at our just sheer being here is a miracle. How would you live your life differently? What would you do with your day, in this particular moment, and when you stop and come to stillness, that little voice inside will start speaking to you. And a lot of times he will say, Well, how my voice doesn't speak to me, it's because we haven't been listening. And so we don't trust it. We've pushed it down so much. And so a lot of it again, is coming back to that stillness, that daily practice of unpacking it, we get very caught up in our human ways. Humans spend more than 98% of their time in a human made environment. Now, we didn't used to be that way. We were very Aquarian we lived on the earth, we were connected to nature, we followed the seasons, we followed what was happening in the celestial sky. All of that is energy, we are very tapped into the energy of the universe. We think it's out there to be focused on what's happening with the moon. I used to think the same thing. I always looked at the moon and thought, isn't it beautiful there never thought that the energetic pole of the moon pulls on over 67% fluid in our body just like the tides. So if we start to understand that we can be woken up from a deep sleep because of the pole of the moon. And then we start to wonder why we slept so badly. And then we start thinking, oh, you know, I'm a terrible sleeper, you know, we start getting down on ourselves. But the reality is, maybe we just need to be aware, there's a full moon, I'm going to do some self care, this can get me into bed sooner, because I might end up having a disrupted sleep. But at least I'll have a good amount of rest. You might wake up the next morning and not worry about the fact that you didn't sleep so well. You feel rested. And it's just because you have an awareness. So it's just an example.

Katie Kay 

Just an example of why that was a gift to hear, though. I mean, if I was listening to the podcast, I probably rewind that and listen to that whole thing again. Um, wow. i i there. There's so much potential and what you were just talking about, and I just can't stop thinking about if there's somebody listening to the podcast how those words could be that perspective shift that could change somebody's life. And I just really believe that that it's when we are just able to, to soak in the gifts of the list of the guests of the of the people here talking on the podcast, it's available to us that we can really gain new perspectives. And that is what changes our internal condition. And then, from what lens, we view the outside world changes how we exist in the outside world in the external. I think it's, it's really amazing. And I want to ask if there is somebody that really does want to investigate more in this energy. And maybe asking some of those bigger questions, what's truly important, and I just loved how you gave that kind of broader lens or broader view in space of what's really important in life. And it does, it kind of opens us up to some of those bigger things that we just so easily I can get stuck on like the small things in the control and like, what am I doing here? And what like, what's my schedule? And what am I doing tomorrow, and then get wrapped up in all the negativity. So the broader lens was really beautiful in the way that you brought that in. So I want to ask you, what is maybe the first step or a simple way somebody could start to invite in this spirit this energy? Maybe they're already on the mastering the mind body part. But what about the mind body? Soul? Maybe there's a, you talked about the awareness? Maybe that could be a really profound step? Or maybe there's a resource or something that you might recommend?

Anne Sargent 

Yeah. That's a great question. Um, there's no one first step, you know, red pill, blue pill, you know, I want to just take one step back, because you made a beautiful statement there, Katie, Kay, I think for a lot of us, we do get wrapped up in the doing of life. And, you know, some of the less just may be sitting there and saying, Oh, well, that's fine for and to say, you know, you can live in this rose color, you know, glasses world, and so forth, you know, and that's not what our energy body wants to do. It's not living in a constant blissful state, and how do we find bliss? And how do we find delight and avoid, you know, the hardships of life, per se, it's how we realize that we are in this moment moving, moving in our life, a life experience, and how we choose to move through it. It is a combination of being in this sort of spiritual realm of faith that everything is for our highest good that it will work out. But we have to grow corn in the physical world, as my mentor likes to say, we need to like pay the bills, and we need to raise kids, and we need we have a job, and so forth. So how do we humans focus our our energy in a way that's supportive? Well, if we're in a job that we don't like, it's sucking our energy, there's so many things that we could go do, because we need to work that is more soul filling. So it's really looking at how long do you want to be in this relationship, this job living in this place or so forth? COVID was a big Awakener, for some, and for others, they've slept right through it. And there's no good or bad in that it's just a reality. So those that woke up and said, I no longer want this job, or I no longer want to live in this, this town or something. And all of a sudden their energy body started to arise like yes, you know, that's what we're called to in this present moment is, where is the yes for you? Where is the choice, seeing the possibilities, not feeling that you're limited to this is really important. So that first step could look differently for anybody. But it's identifying what allows you to hear that inner voice and I like to say that our intuition, like I was saying earlier whispers it's like a muscle though. And when we begin to flex our intuition, we begin to trust it. Then it starts strengthening and strengthening and to be guided by your intuition is like having a superpower because it's not that you don't have the rash. Mind that works things out that tells you how to lead or how to show up or get things done. Because that's really important. We need our mental realm. But our mental realm will move out of anxiety and stress. When we're following in our truth in our true space, what our intuition tells us. So ways to do that is through mindful wellness practices. Mine is spending a fair amount of time each day, being in nature, not doing nature, I love doing nature. Exercising outside is probably my favorite form of exercise. So you know, you know, I'm one of those people that just looks at a treadmill and is like, No, thank you. I want to be out and doing. But being in nature is just going for a little wander with no destination. It's watching the sunrise or the sunset, it's coming to a space where for a lot of people, it's very difficult to do to start, it's just a daily practice of just 10 minutes with your coffee outside in the backyard. What are the birds doing? What's the temperature feel like getting into your body? Feeling cold, feeling hot? Noticing that you're feeling these things that you have a squishy human body? Becoming aware of it? What does it need today? Don't have enough rest, baby even have a dialogue with your self? What do I need? No. And what am I calling in sole goals light you up, you know, you know, when you have a sole goal, you know, we set goals for, you know, certain amount of money coming in, you know, doing, you know, making, maybe we train for a marathon or something like that. Those are all beautiful, beautiful goals. But they're doing goals, their aspirational goals, based on accomplishment, if you will, a sole goal is something about inviting in a sense of inner knowing or peace, it's about being present for those around us. And showing up for yourself, advocating for yourself choosing you. You mentioned about pleasers. When we are feeling like we have to continually offer for others, we deplete our energy and our cup becomes fairly empty. And then we start to wonder why we're not appreciated or valued. And it's really because in a lot of cases, it isn't even being asked for we've gotten so into the pattern of showing up in order to be seen, maybe in order to be loved in order to not feel alone. There's any number of reasons why one might do it. And they all you know, they all are, you know, beautifully human. But the reality is if we can turn the lens that first step towards self love, which is really, really, really like deep and hard to access sometimes, then we can show up with a full cup and be present for everyone in our life and hold that space boundaries are really important. You know, my energy is low right now. I need to say no. You know, friends like Oh, come on, go out. Let's go have a good time. Coming to stillness, coming to breath, practicing the breath. This is why yoga is so good. Sometimes meditation is very helpful. Because you can drop right into that space, you start to find where your inner GPS is, I like to call it that inner compass. It's different for everyone. It's gonna say, no, no, no, please don't go out tonight. Please don't go out tonight, I really want to curl up with a book or take a Tom. I just want to, you know, curl up with a blanket and watch a television show, you know, or whatever zone out. That's all okay. But it's from a space of choice. And when we start to begin to trust that and we actually act on it, then we start coming into that energetic alignment. But it is it's a daily practice. I noticed when I'm out of alignment, and it happens. I might just say yes, too much. And then I'm like, oh, boy, my energy is really, really been going out, out, out out. And yes, they've been great experiences in ways I feel like they're feeding me. But I'm feeling less. I'm feeling depleted. I'm feeling like an octopus. It's being pulled in lots of directions. That's when I have to come back to the kind of that self care practice for some people. It's journaling. Setting goals and intentions. gratitude practice. A lot of people say well, how do I do that? You start with just saying I'm thankful for and then you can list it. You can list it just in your mind. You can write it out. You start to realize that there isn't lacking in your life. Even if you're looking for a job you're Living on someone's sofa, and so forth, you get down to the very essence of the fact that I'm here. And I'm living this life. And you know what this friend of mine reached out. And I'm thankful for, for my friend here who's given me a place to stay while I get on my feet, and thankful for the person who is supporting me right now. You know, I'm thankful for the sunrise for the gift of this day. Any number of things, you can hang your hat on your thank gratitude hat on if you will. But in the moment, it gives you that little bit of a lift. And it's just a change of a mindset. There is an energetic tool that I want to offer to the to the listeners, when we are in relationships, we tend to be on what's called the triangle. Notice your conversations as to whether or not you're in the space of bully, victim, or rescuer. This triangle can eat up a lot of energy. Notice when people are talking to you, are they trying to rescue you? Are they trying to tell you want to do even best friends, we get into these energetic patterns with each other. And when you notice, you might even in a conversation move roles, switch roles, you might always be in a certain role with maybe a family member or something. But when you become aware of these energetic relationships, bullying, bully victim rescuer, then you can make a mindful choice to step off the triangle to become in the space of witness or to be the observer. Now, this doesn't mean that you step out of the conversation, you're no longer engaged with this person. But it comes into that space of what is it now? What is it needed. I love this person dearly, I want to relate with them on a more meaningful, deeper level than this role playing. And I'm going to show up as me right now. And I'm going to listen to what they need. And when asked or maybe not asked, I'm going to express what I need from a space of truth. And you'll find that your conversations, your interactions with the people that resonate with, you will become much deeper, more richer, more nourishing, that your soul space will just shy. And it may mean that some people, maybe your relationship changes. And maybe they start to you know, move in a different direction the relationship does. But you start to understand that you are now standing in your power. Again, not better than but you're in that space where you realize, hmm, maybe this relationship wasn't really what I thought it was. Maybe it was good in this moment, but now maybe not so much. That conscious awareness that mindfulness is what will then help you make the next decision from a point of compassion. Rather than having to control a situation, you'll be able to let go of things with a little bit more ease, you won't hold on to things fearing change, changes natural happens anyway. And it's not to say that I don't have difficulty doing just what I said, Because I'm human. But it's in that practice that we come into that alignment.

Katie Kay 

Yeah, I love how you said the being that witness and I found I found in the past when I can step back and I can be in that place of just witnessing or being the observer then I have so much more space to make choice. And I also believe that relationships are the hardest. They they're like here for us to grow and face all of the places that we really need to heal within ourselves. And I have just found that I have struggled so hard in the past trying to get more freedom just trying to get more knee time trying to find more centered feeling like like other people are taking away my energy and I was always kind of grasping for Okay, when when do I have that hour to close the door be by myself. And it wasn't until I realized that really had nothing to do with them. It really had everything to do with me and some of those fears I was holding on to and once I realized the freedom I was seeking was actually already inside me. It was like it's just like it's Yeah, crate it just wild like And I mentioned that because relationships I feel like aren't meant to be here to be Easy. I feel like they're meant to be here to allow us to come in to ourselves and understand where we really need to heal. And what are some of those deeper fears and pains and things that we can look at and be that witness and observe it. And even though it's so painful, it's like the hardest thing to, to look inside and see some of those fears. Like I said, at the beginning, I'm not good enough, I'm not doing enough. That's a really painful thing to continually say to yourself over and over and over again. And you can see how that can show up in your body, and how that's directing your external life. But if you have the ability to get a little uncomfortable, it's from my own experience, I've found just the most profound changes. And when you were talking, I was thinking about Pema children, and she focuses a lot on, on looking at our fears and discomfort, and how do we relate to this comfort. And she, I was reading one passage the other night, and she was talking about the groundlessness of being in that unknown place, and especially when it comes to yourself in your relationship to yourself, she turned the perspective around and said, that is actually a really courageous place to be in. And that was just like, it's so cool. When you can see that different perspective is like, oh my gosh, like that feeling that I've been feeling. I feel really ungrounded I feel just a little unknown and lost in myself, because I've been looking at some of these like, ugly, deeper fears. I've been putting in the work, and now I'm feeling like really uncomfortable. Well, she's like, wow, like, good job, Katie, you're being really courageous. And I'm like, okay, like, this is awesome. You know, it totally changes the perspective around. And yeah, I'm not really quite sure where I was going with that whole conversation would have me comment. Well,

Anne Sargent 

what I love about that is you brought up a really good point, sort of, the more you unpack, the more courageous you become. And you're kind of like, Oh, I wonder what's around this corner, you know, and what's in this drawer, you know, and you start to really self examine things, because you get curious, one of the archetypes, you mentioned you you pull the card at the beginning. And it was the hummingbird, one of the archetypes in which is an archetype, but one of the archetypes is the Jaguar. And, and you actually had a jaguar in yoga class today. And what I love about the Panther and the Jaguar is it's in the space of our emotions. It's the water element. And in our emotions in the water element, it's about letting go. It's about understanding the ebb and flow. And that we can hold many emotions because we're complex, squishy humans, we can have anger and joy. We can be frustrated and find delight. There's, there's so many things that we can hold in one moment. And so the Jaguar is fearless. It is a big cat that hangs out in a tree or on the ground, and basically everything else around it cowers to it. But it doesn't exude its power in an aggressive way. It is very, like so calm and secure. And its power. big, wide paws, big bright eyes. They lurk in the darkness, and they don't fear. So you can call on the energy. This is where we're talking a little bit more about sort of intuitiveness calling on the energy of the Jaguar is to say, I'm feeling a little timid right now I've got this thing, this sort of yucky feeling over here, and I'm going to have to go prowl in there. If I want to figure out why do I hold this limiting belief that no longer serves and I can't really put a name on it. I don't really know what that is. And I'm going to have to do some journaling or meditation around it. Or maybe go for a little wander outside and ponder for whatever, but I'm feeling a little like, kind of fearful of what I might find. We call in an archetype of the Jaguar and we say jaguars, not scared of anything. Jaguars, big ass cat. He's gonna just come in. I'm going to just ride with my Jaguar. And I'm going to get a little curious about this is if I'm exploring it for my best friend, not me. Now, and I I'm just going to go here in the corner, see what's there. When we get closer to our fears, they shrink in size, they aren't as scary as we make them into. I'm not saying that they aren't scary, because they are. But we are courageous as premises. We are. And when we start looking at our fears, we get even more courageous. And we get even more like, Hmm, why do I hold that belief? on something that is totally not it's gonna come across to readers is not being so sensitive, let's say or energetically charged. In sixth grade, my math teacher, we were working on word problems. And I didn't understand them. I could not get them. And she said to me, she am you just not good at math. stuck with me. For decades, I'm just not good at math, never pursued a career in math. Every math course I had to take I took the option of the test option out, you know, steered away from it. Even when I met my husband, I'm like, I'm just not good at math, you know, you're gonna have to balance the checkbook, you're gonna have to do you know, figure it? Can you figure out that percentage on the tip, I'm not good at math. That energetic seed was planted in sixth grade. Now, she didn't know that that was going to be the impact, you know, our words have power, right? But I took that on as I'm not good at math. Now, walking with my Jaguar, I'm like, how the heck am I not good at math, of course, it's math, it's a language, I can learn it, it's rational, I'll make some sense of it, I just got to put my energy towards it. I'm good at math. And you know what, I'm actually pretty decent at math. But that's just the very non you know, with our emotions, things that we fear about being alone or not being enough or doubting our stuff, and so forth. They're big, because they're emotional, they have a lot of energy. But would you not take that job, if you didn't have the energy attached to the fact that you think you're not worthy, like, if you could just look at it from the standpoint of, of I really want that. But what's holding me back and really looking at it, because that is a soul desire. If that's calling to you, it's out there like this juicy apple? Like, how can I get there. And that takes that deep work. But that deep work is is so visceral and so juicy, and so empowering. Because when we go through those, especially those things that are the dark night of the soul, we level up, like, we become so much more present in our life, we're like, I'm here. And those are the things that that make us continue to say, hey, it's not a bad journey. You know, we meet that new person lights up our life, you know, be it friend or partner or whatever, co worker, and we're off on a new journey together, new soul beings come into our life, life becomes refreshed again. And we take the wisdom of our experiences, and we bring them forward, which is really powerful.

Katie Kay 

It's really powerful. That's amazing. Like, I had to take a breath, because, um Yeah, I think there's a lot to, you know, get into. But I think one thing I want to just mention is, when you're talking about that dark night of the soul, and on the other side, we are lifted, we are lifted into this powerful place. And if we can approach all of our struggles, and looking at it in the way that this is an opportunity for me, to become more empowered to really reclaim my power, than I think that's a all of us an opportunity to look at discomfort and fears and pain maybe a little bit differently. So different perspective on the way that you know, if our fears of our deepest fears, if we're able to look at them as an opportunity, it might open up space for us to connect to that essence within us that we're really longing to connect to in the first place. And, and that's, you know, that's reclaiming our power and, and I love the jagwire analogy and just having that support system and you and and your energy work, you know, we'll put all of the contact information in the show notes and how to reach out to you but you are, you know, that jagwire too and being able to help people and be that support system and that guide, you just think it's really amazing that you were called in that way to help people and support. And I know personally being in the Park City community and taking dance classes, and it's, and oh my gosh, all the workshops you're doing and you know, coming up at PC yoga collective, and it's just, like, you're a staple in this community, and I just so appreciate everything that you do. And, and I see it in your classes, all the tribe, right, like all all your people and, and we're here because we feel that energy from you. And it's like, it's different than, you know, it's just like that energy is it's just not available everywhere. And so it's just really special that we have the gift to have you in this community and, and on the podcast and being able thank you for sharing all your beautiful wisdom. Yeah, I think like the last kind of thing I want to talk about is, is really just reiterating that value of reclaiming our internal power and how I know before in my life, I didn't understand that connection of how it would translate in my body and how I felt and I, you know, all I wanted to do is I wanted to feel good in my body, I wanted to feel confident, I didn't want to be worrying every second about what I was eating and eating the right things, you know, exercising and, and it got me in this cycle of feeling really stuck and just really helpless. And, and so I didn't understand that that internal work that I was doing, was really gonna end up helping my how I felt in my body. And, and you mentioned that while we were talking is you just said, you start to take care of yourself better, you start to eat the things that your body is craving and nourishing. And you have that intuition and you have a deeper connection with your body and in taking care of yourself and all the things that come with it. And so I just really want to get back on that point. Because I think that just in culture, just kind of the standards of society, maybe we don't necessarily are able to mark it that, you know, take care of your internal condition and, and you'll see the insane empowerment, and just love and support that you will get in your outside world too. So if you have anything to add on to that, but if you don't, that's perfect as well, no,

Anne Sargent 

you know, I think if anything, just having a listers takeaway, that, that you have three bodies, you have a physical body, you have a mental body, and you have this energy body. And we we really, especially in this society, really focus on our physical body, and we can be really critical of that body, and we overuse that body, we don't take care of it in the ways that we should. And a lot of times our perceptions are based on really unrealistic. Societal, we're going to put the word norms out there, if you will, but you know, we tend to think that we're all supposed to maybe look the same, be a certain height, be a certain weight, you know, and so forth. And so the body shaming that goes on is significant. And that takes a real toll on our soul being on our energy being because we put all of our energy into trying to change what you know, is really beautiful to begin with. And when we put some emphasis on starting to understand where those energy where we put the energy where we build the stories, where we have the fears and so forth, where do they reside in our body? Where do we feel it? You know, where are we taking the hits? Then we're able to bring to that mindfulness, that awareness of how might I do something differently? How might I go about this in a different way, instead of trying to rigidly restrict myself from eating these foods and so forth, because that's going to allow me to hit that ideal goal. If I focus more on loving myself and feeling that I'm worthy and whole and connected, then your eating is just gonna be it's, it's not all of a sudden, bam, now you're eating carrots or something, you know, but you're eating too. feed the energy that feels right for you, you know, and then you're making choice. When we move into choice, we move out of a space of reaction, and we move into a space of response response is taking control, it's taking responsibility. When we respond, we need to take responsibility for ourselves because nobody else is going to do it. You know, and when we don't think that we're worthy, then we don't take good care of ourselves. And then we can be looking at, well, this diet is supposed to change everything. But no, because we're in a space of lack. But our energy is always in a space of abundance. It's always in a space of abundance. So when we can tap into that, then we can bring in those frequencies that feeling of, well, in this moment, I'm safe. In this moment, I choose me. And in this moment, I am whole and worthy. And that is practicing self love, and self care.

Katie Kay 

Thank you, man. Yes. Beautiful. Lastly, would you mind sharing your own daily wellness practices with us just so we can get some inspiration? Yeah,

Anne Sargent 

yeah. Um, my number one practice is, is getting outdoors and being with nature. And that's been the way I've been since I can remember since I was small girl, and like, go for a walk with my dad. On a wooded path. I love being in the forest, I love being just I could be at a beach, wherever that is. So just being outside and being outside. So that's my number one, I do practice yoga, it's not a daily practice for me. But it's just not called to be that. I roll my mat out when I feel I have a need. And that's quite often. And then the other thing is, I wake up every morning, and before I get out of bed, I have my gratitude practice, I say thank you for this day, I say thank you for whatever comes to mind, it might be for the people in my life, or my health or whatever comes up. And then I will set an intention for the day. And I allow that intention to arrive very organically. So sometimes I may be traveling through the day, or you know, multiple days, same intention shows up. And I'm always curious as to what will arrive. And then I'll get out of bed. So I intentionally will set my alarm a little bit earlier than I need to. And I'll just spend, oh, maybe two, three minutes. Just being in that frame of mind to start my day, from a space of gratitude. And that's helpful for me. But for me outside rewilding remembering I'm part of it all, is probably my big energy, restore the battery, if you will, gets restored that way. And for some people, it's going to be something different. So

Katie Kay 

Perfect. Perfect. Thank you and some lovely to have you and I'll put all your contact information, your work website. And thank you listeners so much for being here. I will see you all next week. Be well